Building Inspection Commission
BUILDING INSPECTION COMMISSION (BIC)
Department of Building Inspection (DBI)
REGULAR MEETING
Wednesday, December 19, 2007 at 9:00 a.m.
City Hall, 1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 400
Aired Live on SFGTV Channel 78
ADOPTED February 20, 2008
MINUTES
The regular meeting of the Building Inspection Commission was called to order at 9:06 a.m. by President Walker.
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Call to Order and Roll Call – Roll call was taken and a quorum was certified. |
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COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENTS: |
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Debra Walker, President Criss Romero, Commissioner |
Frank Lee, Vice-President |
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Ann Aherne, Commission Secretary |
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D.B.I. REPRESENTATIVES: |
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Isam Hasenin, Director |
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CITY ATTORNEY’S OFFICE REPRESENTATIVES: |
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President’s Announcements.
President Walker said that with accomplishments come challenges and said that major reform always challenges the status quo. President Walker stated that there are many long time employees at DBI and said that the Director was learning about San Francisco’s culture; San Francisco is a very politically active community and people want a say in what is built in the City. President Walker said that authority must be earning and said that there have been some bumps along the way, but said that she was confident that the changes that are being made will become changes that will serve everyone, from the Commission to DBI Staff and to the citizens of San Francisco. President Walker stated that the Commission, the Director and Management in the Department were working toward better communication which is needed to move forward to make dynamic changes in the City and to make everyone proud of DBI. President Walker thanked all of the Commissioners for their hard work and dedication, and in particular Commissioner Sattary for his work in seismic issues and tall buildings. Mr. John Darmanin said that he was a former resident of San Francisco, a current member of the San Francisco Fire Department (SFFD), but was speaking as a private citizen. Mr. Darmanin said that he noticed that there were many members of the SFFD who work at DBI and also the President John Hanley of the Fire Fighters Union Local 798, along with several officers of the union present at this meeting. Mr. Darmanin said that the Mayor mentioned collaboration versus consolidation and said that he thought that these were key words as it is important for the two departments to respect each other both historically and currently to make sure that the departments do not lose site of those tasks mentioned earlier in President Walker’s announcements. Mr. Darmanin stated that President Walker mentioned that Director Hasenin is still in the learning process when it comes to San Francisco politically as it is much different from San Diego, but said that he thought that the Director was doing an excellent job. Mr. Darmanin said that he was looking forward to working as a collaborative team, not as a consolidated team, and thanked the Commission for their time.
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Director’s Report. Commissioner Theriault said that he wanted to congratulate the Director on closing the gap in the budget and said that he saw that some vacancies had not been filled and asked if the Director could comment on that. Commissioner Theriault asked if DBI, being an enterprise department, would be asked to make the same budget cuts as other departments in the City. Director Hasenin said that over 80% of DBI’s budget is personnel related so in trying to keep expenses down that is the place to do it so the Department has a 7% - 10% vacancy rate. Director Hasenin stated that as far as cuts the Department would not be impacted because it is not a general fund department, but the impact could come as a result of other departments cutting back and then those displaced employees being able to bump into DBI. c. Update on interdepartmental coordination meetings and recommendations. Director Hasenin said that he continues to work with the Fire Department and Planning Department on issues that are common to the departments and stated that he was looking forward to working with the new Planning Director in January. d. Update on the overall plan for the reconfiguration of DBI. Director Hasenin reported that the Department is waiting to hear from a private entity regarding a building that DBI is interested in moving to, but this is not even close to happening. Director Hasenin said that he was hoping to have a proposal to bring to the Commission in the near future, but said that in the meantime the Department would be cleaning up the 4th and 5th floors with painting and carpeting and moving staff from 1650 Mission back to 1660. President Walker asked where the new location would be. Director Hasenin said that it was a building near City Hall with parking and close proximity to public transportation. Commissioner Sattary said that since the move would take 18 – 24 months he thought that some attention should be given to make the current facilities better for the employees. Commissioner Sattary said that it was mentioned in the Employee Survey that staff would like to have some sort of employee lounge or a place to eat lunch. Commissioner Sattary requested that even though the Department did not want to spend a lot of money on a short term change, he would request that such a facility be provided. e. Update on Community Action Plan for Seismic Safety (CAPSS). Director Hasenin reported that the CAPSS program was moving forward and that the Advisory Group had met last month. Director Hasenin stated that the Department was waiting for a revised contract from ATC and hopefully this would be ready in January. Director Hasenin stated that he was committed to do this survey when he started at DBI, but said that it took time to get through some of the technicalities to make sure that the survey was web based, confidential and geared to the concerns and issues of staff. Director Hasenin said that he looked forward to working with staff on issues to provide a greater working environment. Commissioner Murphy said that with 300 employees working at DBI he thought that the 76 who completed the survey was a very small percentage. Director Hasenin said that typically a 1/3 response to a survey was good, but said that there are other ways to do it and the Department could hire a private company to do a survey. Director Hasenin said that the Department did its best to make sure that the responses were confidential and no one knew who responded back. President Walker suggested that since it was such a small representation that perhaps the Controller’s Office could do a survey. Commissioner Murphy stated that it would be nice to know how the majority of employees feel about issues. Commissioner Sattary said that there is nothing to compare this survey to so no one knows how this compares to two years ago or how it will compare in the future. Commissioner Sattary suggested that this type of survey, if it does not require too much capital, be done on an annual basis. Director Hasenin said that it would probably still be affordable for the Department to do an employee survey annually and have it done by the Controller’s Office which might project more of a sense of safety and higher participation. Commissioner Theriault said that he thought that in a Department that was going through so many changes that this survey was generally positive. Commissioner Grubb said that he would agree and said that there was a wide range of opinions, but thought that it would be helpful to have this be a yearly survey.
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Public Comment: The BIC will take public comment on matters within the Commission’s jurisdiction that are not part of this agenda.
Mr. Brendan O’Leary stated that he was the Director of Local 795 the Fire Fighter’s Union, and a Captain assigned to the Bureau of Fire Prevention. Captain O’Leary stated that he has been with the Fire Department for 29 years, 18 of those with the Fire Prevention Investigation unit and currently over the high rise Inspectors. Captain O’Leary expressed his concerns over the reorganization and the umbrella approach stating that there is a diversion of authority between DBI and the SFFD in order to allow for checks and balances to make sure that the Health and Safety Code is adhered to. Captain O’Leary said that surveys have been taken and a model has been presented, but stated that the Fire Department is the model as 90% of the applications that are reviewed by the Fire Department at DBI are done over the counter in one day so the SFFD has no backlog and is not creating any bottleneck in approving permits. Captain O’Leary said that the firefighters look at the plans for a building keeping in mind the safety of the occupants, but also bring to the table the concerns for safety for the firefighters that might someday have to enter those buildings in case of a fire or other emergency. Captain O’Leary stated that this plan has been proposed before and said that he, Bill Mitchell the Captain from Plan Check and Lieutenant Joe Cuff the Supervisor of District Inspectors had just returned from spending two days in San Diego and said that the Fire Marshall and the Assistant Fire Marshall in San Diego explained the shortcomings of this plan to them. Captain O’Leary said that the San Diego Fire Department wanted to bring the program back under the Fire Department as it was not successful. Captain O’Leary said that this new plan would result in changes to working conditions for Fire personnel and in the spirit of cooperation and collaboration there needs to be more dialogue about where the Fire Department fits into this plan.
Mr. John Hanley introduced himself as a Firefighter with Engine #6 in the Castro as well as the President of the Firefighter’s Union. Mr. Hanley thanked the Commission for the work that they do and thanked Mayor Newsom for coming to meeting to clear the air of any rumors. Mr. Hanley said that these Firefighters are the best and brightest in the Department because they are dual trained. Mr. Hanley stated that he was present to remove any speculation that these Firefighters would go to another department as it is clearly illegal by State Law and also said that he had met with the Mayor and Director Hasenin who are both on board with this. Mr. Hanley said that he wanted to emphasize the value of the Firefighters who are also qualified Building Inspectors as these Firefighters go to training on their off time and to other jurisdictions learning the expertise of building inspection; in addition, in an emergency these Firefighters respond to fires and other emergencies. Mr. Hanley said that for the cost of these Firefighters/Inspectors the City and County of San Francisco is getting a deal as these employees take a great deal of pride in their work.
Mr. Steve Courier, President of the Outer Mission Residents Association said that this issue was discussed at an Ingleside Police meeting with neighbors and said that he was present to let the Commission know that people are uncomfortable with the idea of the Firefighters/Inspectors not being at DBI to do these inspections. Mr. Courier said that he hoped that the dialogue between the Fire Department and DBI would continue.
Mr. John Darmanin said that he wanted to clarify that he and other Firefighters present had no intention of saying that they would be replacing Building Inspectors. Mr. Darmanin said that Fire personnel are involved in very specific plan reviews and fire inspections as mandated by State law even though there are many areas where responsibilities are overlapping. Mr. Darmanin stated that there have been past FBI, Grand Jury and other reports where allegations were made that were not totally unfounded and said that he understood why there was so much concern by the Mayor, the Commission, the Department and the public to shake things up in a good way. Mr. Darmanin said that he commends the Director for his fresh ideas and said that the Fire Department wanted to participate in many of these new ideas, but said that there are limits. Mr. Darmanin said that the Fire Department plays an important role in fire plan review and inspection and said that these checks and balances are very important. Mr. Darmanin said that the Fire Department is a big component of DBI’s goals especially when it comes to safety and said that the Fire Department would like to continue to help DBI improve efficient and fair service to San Franciscans.
Mr. Mark Hayes introduced himself as a Firefighter with 17 years experience and said that he did not work at DBI, but was present to support those Firefighters who do plan check and inspections. Mr. Hayes said that the Firefighters at DBI do important Code work that translates to safety for those Firefighters that have to go into buildings for a fire or other emergency. Mr. Hayes stated that a great deal had been said about the law and past practices, but there has to be a little common sense used. Mr. Hayes said that when a Firefighter out in the field sees a problem they can pick up the phone and call one of their colleagues at DBI and make something happen immediately for the safety of the public and all Firefighters. Mr. Hayes asked that everyone think long and hard about keeping these Firefighters at DBI.
Mr. Dennis Carlin introduced himself as Vice-President of the Building Inspectors Association and said that Inspectors at DBI do not want to take Firefighters jobs, but want to work with the Fire Department and the Director, whom they support, to make changes for a more efficient Department. Mr. Carlin said that Mr. Hanley stated that the Firefighters were qualified Building Inspectors, but said that he wanted to clarify that the Firefighters are not qualified Building Inspectors, but are qualified Fire Inspectors. Mr. Carlin stated that the Building Inspectors have had their issues with the Director, but said that the Director has had an open door policy for the Inspectors to talk with him. Mr. Carlin said that he hoped that cooperation would continue with Electrical, Plumbing, and all divisions within the Department and the Fire Department to make the City more efficient. Mr. Carlin said that in the past he had been a general contractor so he understands the issues from both sides. Mr. Carlin said that everyone working at DBI was very professional and competent and dedicated to working with the Code for the safety of the citizens of San Francisco.
Mr. Mario Ballard introduced himself as a resident of San Francisco, a retired member of the San Francisco Fire Department after 32 ½ years, 13 of those years having served as the Manager of the Plan Review Division at DBI. Mr. Ballard stated that he worked for three different Directors and retired shortly before Director Hasenin came on board. Mr. Ballard said that during the 13 years that he worked at DBI the Fire Department and DBI had a wonderful working relationship and said that the sort of collaboration between the two departments was rarely seen in other jurisdictions. Mr. Ballard stated that this working relationship was a unique benefit for the citizens of San Francisco and said that as the old saying goes “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”.
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Presentation, discussion and possible action regarding the Department of Building Inspection’s Business Process Reengineering Report (BPR). [Director Hasenin] Director Hasenin said that this process was taken on a few months ago to look at the nuts and bolts of the processes of the Department to identify areas of improvement, deficiencies, overlapping of work and unnecessary steps. Director Hasenin stated that the BPR took six months and said that over 200 people participated including DBI staff, the industry, organizations, other departments and customers. Director Hasenin offered a PowerPoint presentation which explained the BPR Process including: Director Hasenin said that this process was taken on a few months ago to look at the nuts and bolts of the processes of the Department to identify areas of improvement, deficiencies, overlapping of work and unnecessary steps. Director Hasenin stated that the BPR took six months and said that over 200 people participated including DBI staff, the industry, organizations, other departments and customers. Director Hasenin offered a PowerPoint presentation which explained the BPR Process including:
Director Hasenin thanked DBI who agreed to take on the additional responsibility of chairing and facilitating the BPR initiative, as well as those who participated on the subcommittees. Director Hasenin gave special thanks to the industry subcommittee co-chairs: John Schlesinger, John O’Connor, Tony Sanchez-Corea and Gabriel Metcalf. The Director thanked DBI customers, representatives of industry and community groups and other City department staff who took time from their busy schedules to assist DBI in this invaluable endeavor. Director Hasenin announced that the entire BPR along with a condensed version is available on the DBI government website.
President Walker thanked everyone for their participation in this tremendous endeavor.
President Walker said that she had a few questions regarding the BPR and said that one of her concerns is that the term discretionary review is used in the BPR and said that this might be somewhat confusing as Planning actually has a process identified as a Discretionary Review for the neighbors. President Walker asked that the DBI BPR make some distinction between the two. President Walker stated that she would like something included that would help to verify conditions that are stated on applications such as conditional use, slopes, geography, etc.; these items are usually dealt with by outside departments such as Planning, DPW or Fire, but it would be good to have someway to visualize this before permitting occurs. President Walker asked Director Hasenin if he could speak to changes regarding the terminology of site permits.
Director Hasenin said that new automation system would create and place holds or conditions on a permit during the process from other departments as the departments would be able to share information so this would aide in verifying conditions. Director Hasenin stated the only thing that is being done with site permits is that the Department is eliminating the difference between junior site permits and regular site permits because they are all the same, but the process will remain the same as this has been in practice for a long time and is in the law and the Code. The Commissioners had concerns, made comments and asked many questions about the BPR including: (Director’s abbreviated responses appear in parenthesis)
* President Walker -
* Commissioner Grubb -
* Commissioner Murphy -
* Commissioner Sattary -
* Vice-President Lee -
* Commissioner Romero -
* President Walker - Implementation of the information technology is key among all of the departments as DBI is not in full control of all of the elements.
Commissioner Theriault made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Grubb, that the Commission direct the Director to implement the changes outlined in the BPR with the caveat that an implementation plan be presented at the next meeting.
Captain Tom Harvey of the SFFD said that the Fire Department is ready to implement the changes outlined in the BPR as the Fire Department recovers 95 - 100% of its cost for construction inspection and plan review; the Fire Department has increased its staff at DBI by 25%. Captain Harvey stated that the Fire Department is in favor of the BPR.
Mr. Luke O’Brien, President of the San Francisco Coalition for Responsible Growth (SFCRG) commended the Director for undertaking this task and for doing it in such a short amount of time. Mr. O’Brien asked the Commission to trust the Director to get the job done and to support the Director in the changes as outlined in the BPR.
Mr. Patrick Otellini of ARS and Associates said that he served on one of the BPR committees and said that during the process several controversial issues came up that were referred to as “Parking Lot” issues. Mr. Otellini asked that after the BPR has been implemented that those who worked on the BPR get together again to discuss and solve some of these important issues.
Mr. Ken Cleaveland of BOMA said that he applauds the process and that BOMA supports this report.
Mr. Larry Mazzola Jr. said that he was representing the Plumbers Union Local 38 and said that he supported this report. Mr. Mazzola stated that Local 38 would support any process that would help the citizens of San Francisco.
Ms. Lois Scott of the Professional and Technical Engineers Union Local 21 said the she appreciated that the unions were involved in the process of this BPR. Ms. Scott stated that the implementation of this report will result in changes in working condition and therefore will have to go through the meet and confer process with the unions. Ms. Scott spoke about several concerns the union has with the implementation of the BPR and how it will affect its members. Ms. Scott suggested that there be a Labor Management Committee to work on the implementation and to have an open dialogue between the unions and DBI.
Mr. John Keogan said that he wanted to support the motion and to say that this plan would be good for DBI customers.
Mr. John Schlesinger said that he was co-chair of one of the subcommittees of the BPR and said that it was an extraordinary experience. Mr. Schlesinger said that he was happy to see all of the support for this document and said that he looked forward to implementation.
Director Hasenin presented Mr. Schlesinger with a certificate of appreciation for all of his work on the BPR. Director Hasenin also presented a certificate of appreciation to Mr. Sean Keighran of the Residential Builders Association for Mr. John O’Connor who was not able to be present at the meeting.
Mr. Tony Sanchez-Corea said that he appreciated being part of the BPR process which was a very transparent process and allowed for a tremendous flow of information. Mr. Sanchez-Corea said that the construction standard in San Francisco is probably the best in the United States and said that now he hoped the permitting process would be as well.
Dr. Bhatia of the Department of Environmental Health said that he was in support of the BPR report. Dr. Bhatia stated that the Department of Environmental Health had a mechanism to recover fees and offered to have someone from his Department at DBI to help with the permitting process when Environmental Health is involved.
Mr. Ken Cochrane thanked everyone for having the foresight to move forward with the BPR and said that he felt that San Francisco would now have the best building department in the country.
Mr. Angus McCarthy said that today was a very enjoyable day and said that he was looking forward to the changes outlined in the BPR. Mr. McCarthy said that this could never have happened without the foresight and leadership of the Director. Mr. McCarthy thanked everyone involved especially the rank and file and the Department and said that this report is not perfect, but it is a start.
Mr. Richie Harte of the Residential Builders said that it was incredible that so much work was done in four months. Mr. Harte said that in the spirit of cooperation he hoped the Commission would adopt the report unanimously so that the process could now move forward.
Mr. John Pollard of S.F. Garage Company, 512 and Mercury Engineering said that one of the things that was amazing about this process was the cooperation of all of the different groups, including private industry, the different departments, the stakeholders and staff at DBI. Mr. Pollard stated that time is money and the process needs to get better for everybody. Mr. Pollard urged the Commission to support the motion.
Mr. Leo Cassidy of the RBA said that there would be a lot of changes as there were 180 suggestions that came out of this BPR. Mr. Cassidy stated that by doing this BPR in-house the Department saved approximately $3.8M. Mr. Cassidy thanked everyone involved and said that he supported the motion.
Mr. John Darmanin of the SFFD said you get what you pay for and said that this BPR was a good document based on what he had read in just a few minutes. Mr. Darmanin said that he counted some 14 Fire Department participants in the BPR and said that the BPR was not a consensus document and was certainly not endorsed by all of its participants. Mr. Darmanin stated that the report did not include any of the oppositions to some of the items and said that some of the controversies were left to the Director and his staff. Mr. Darmanin said that this was not necessarily a bad thing, but cautioned the Commission to be wary of that. Mr. Darmanin said that the Fire Department personnel that have spoken are not in fear of losing their jobs because they have someplace else to go, but are present because they are passionate about the role they play in the plan review process.
Mr. Sean Keighran of the RBA said that he was glad to see some common sense in this report. Mr. Keighran said that the general public wants a simpler process. Mr. Keighran stated that when he looks at the 180 recommendations he does not see anything new or revolutionary, but sees best practices from other jurisdictions across the United States.
President Walker called for a vote on the motion. The motion carried unanimously.
RESOLUTION NO. BIC 064-07
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Discussion and possible action regarding Supervisor Maxwell’s proposed legislation in Clerk of the Board of Supervisors File No. 071009. Ordinance amending the San Francisco Building Code by adding Section 106.3.2.6 to require implementation of dust control measures for any demolition or construction project that has the potential to create dust and with specific provisions for projects that will expose or disturb soil, with provision for waiver by the Director for construction activities on sites less than one quarter acre that are unlikely to result in any visible windblown dust; amending the San Francisco Health Code by adding Article 22B to require, for projects over one quarter acre, that the project sponsor obtain approval of a dust control plan from the Director of Public Health unless the Director waives these requirements and to charge fees to defray the costs of implementation; adopting findings.
The motion failed by a vote of 4 to 3. President Walker said that she support this legislation as she feels that dust is a real problem and that she was disappointed that the Commission did not support this.
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Review and approval of the minutes of the September 19, 2007 meeting.
RESOLUTION NO. BIC 066-07 Commissioners Romero and Murphy left the meeting at 1:15 a.m.
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Commissioner’s Questions and Matters. a. Inquiries to Staff. At this time, Commissioners may make inquiries to staff regarding various documents, policies, practices, and procedures, which are of interest to the Commission. |
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b. Future Meetings/Agendas. At this time, the Commission may discuss and take action to set the date of a Special Meeting and/or determine those items that could be placed on the agenda of the next meeting and other future meetings of the Building Inspection Commission.
Secretary Aherne said that the budget would be on the January agenda and that the BIC might have to hold some special meetings to deal with the budget. Secretary Aherne stated that Commissioner Grubb had been asking for an item to be agendized about the Litigation Committee and said that it would have to be in February as Commissioner Grubb was not going to be present for the January meeting. President Walker said that she wanted to have an update in February for all of the different committees of the BIC.
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Public Comment: The BIC will take public comment on matters within the Commission’s jurisdiction that are not part of this agenda. |
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There was no public comment. |
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Adjournment. Commissioner Sattary made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Grubb that the meeting be adjourned. The motion carried unanimously.
RESOLUTION NO. BIC 067-07
The meeting was adjourned at 1:18 p.m.
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Respectfully submitted,
__________________ Ann Marie Aherne |
SUMMARY OF REQUESTS BY COMMISSIONERS |
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Director to present an implementation plan for the BPR at the next meeting. – President Walker |
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Future agenda item – Evaluation of fees. – President Walker |
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Update on any changed policies in the Housing Division particularly concerning complaint versus routine inspections. – President Walker
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Update on the deck inspection projects and how it is progressing from the Housing Division. – President Walker
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Update on Litigation Committee. – Commissioner Grubb |
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Update on all of the Sub-committees of the BIC. – President Walker |
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