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O  .0 O d dd !  _XX   PdXX!O?;z|7 `pR@@@E/X"/XUnlawfulDemolitionCommittee X BuildingInspectionCommission(BIC) l #X8XPdz#CommitteeMeetingofAugust4,1998 ( AdvanceCopy l Room2001,1660MissionStreet,SanFrancisco,CA94103PdXX8 X 9#X8XPdQ#9  s XX8MINUTES #X8Xs # X A& ) xdE9 f!A  ` ThemeetingoftheBICUnlawfulDemolitionCommitteewascalledtoorderat9:50a.m.byChair  y Freeman.  e   79  '  ,m XX'79-E1  .0 e   ROLLCALL 󀄀Rollcallwastakenandaquorumwascertified. 79-oEی = e$e$ Ќ  0 e COMMITTEEMEMBERS/STAFFPRESENT: q e$e$  e   SigmundA.Freeman, Chair0   I 0$$Mona_Cereghino_, Commissioner I $$ 0 e 0e$e$_Armando_ԀVasquez, Commissioner 0I$$0I$I$Maria_Banico_, CommissionSecretary9$$   e _D.B.I._ԀREPRESENTATIVES:    e   Frank_Chiu_, Director    e   WilliamWong, DeputyDirectorforInspectionServices     e CITYATTORNEYSREPRESENTATIVE:  a 0 e 0e$e$_Ilene_ԀDick, DeputyCityAttorney 9$$  2.0 e PublicComment.Ye$e$  0 e Ms.Roberta_Caravelli_,CitizenReview,thankedCommissionerFreemanforhiseffortsonclarifying 1 thelanguageofSection103.3.ShesaidthatDirector_Chiu_Ԁdoesnotreadthecodes.Itisinteresting  thatthecodeisadministeredbypeoplewhodonotreadthecode.ShesaidthattheBICneedstolook    atthisissue.ItisaninsulttotheBoardofSupervisorsandtheMayorbecausestaffsaysthatthe  ! ordinancedoesnotmakesenseandthattheBoardofSupervisorsdidnotknowwhattheyweredoing !" whentheyadoptedthecode.Shesaidthatitisevidentthat_DBI_Ԁstaffdoesnotreadthecode.Theyare "u # morefamiliarwiththetemporaryprovisionsofthePlanningCodewhenthemoratoriumwasimposed #a!$ andhavereferredtothoseprovisionsduringdiscussionsonUnlawfulResidentialDemolition.She $M"% urgedtheCommitteetomovealonginresolvingtheseproblems.%9#&e$e$ Ѐ }&%$'  3.0 e DiscussionofUnlawfulResidentialDemolitionOrdinancecodifiedinSection103.3ofthe1995 U(%) SanFranciscoBuildingCode,includingbutnotlimitedto:A)&*e$e$  e a.0  Reportanddiscussiononthedistributionandresponsestoaquestionnairepreparedby +(, CommissionerFreemantosolicitinputonthelanguageinSection103.3.,)-$$ 0 e 0e$e$ CommissionerFreemansaidthathehaddistributedaquestionnairetosolicitinputonthelanguage -+/ _andinterpretationofSection103.3.Hesaidthathekepthearingfrommembersofthepublicat  previousCommitteemeetingsthatthelanguagewasveryclear.Hesaidthathehassome  experiencereadingcodes,andyetfoundthatthelanguageofSection103.3wasnotclear.  CommissionerFreemansaidthatthekeyissuewasthedefinitionof aprincipalportion.Thefirst y partofthecodeon totaltearingdownseemedtobeclearanddidnotresultinanydebates. e However,succeedingportionsofthecodeisnotclear.Hesaidthatitisstillnotclearwhatone Q  principalportionincluded.= $$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemandescribedtheresponsestothequestionnaireandsaidthatfromthefew  ` whoresponded,hestilldidnotgetanyresolution.HesaidthateveniftheBoardofSupervisors  L  passedthisordinance,itisnotnecessarilywellwrittenanditslanguageisnotclear. 8 $$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerVasquezsaidthattheresponseson aprincipalportionseemtoindicatethatthere   canbeanynumberofpossibleinterpretations.Thisisprobablywhythereissomuch   inconsistency.Somestaffmembersjustgobyprecedentsandtheirpreviousexperience.He   addressedhisnextstatementto_DBI_Ԁmanagementandsaidthatifthereissuchvariation,howcan   consistencybeexpected.Thisfactpointstoapieceofthecodethatisaproblem.u$$ 0 e 0e$e$Commissioner_Cereghino_ԀsaidthattheUnlawfulResidentialDemolitionOrdinancebelongsinthe M PlanningCodeandnotintheBuildingCode.ShesaidthattheCommitteeneedstoresolvethis 9 issuefirstbeforedoinganythingelse.%p$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemanagreed.HesaidthatpertheBuildingCodethedefinitionofdemolitionis H clear.Itmeanstheremovalofthewholebuilding.Heaskedifasolutionwouldbetochangethe 4 word demolition. $$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerVasquezsaidhedidnotthinkthattheword demolitioncouldberemoved.Itisa  commontermusedforremovalofbuildingparts.$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemansaidthatinanyconstructionproject,thereisalwaysacomponentof q removal.Heaskedifthatwasdemolition.] $$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_ԀsaidthattherearefourotherprovisionsondemolitionintheBuildingCode.The 5"  BoardofSupervisorswastryingtoregulatetheremovalofthetotalbuilding.Section318.1was !#l! adoptedsothatademolitionpermitwasrequiredforthetearingdownofawholebuilding. $X"$$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_Ԁreferredagaintothequestionnaireandsaidthatitdidnotincludethelanguage for %0!$ purposesofthischapter.ShesaidthatthisordinanceshouldbeintheBuildingCode.The &"% CentralPermitBureauin_DBI_Ԁestablishestheformtouseand_DBI_Ԁissuesthedemolitionpermit.'#&$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemanaskediftherewasadefinitionof structureintheBuildingCode.)$($$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_Ԁsaidthattherewasanditreads anypieceofworkartificiallybuiltup.Shesaidthe m+&* phrase thatconstructioninSection318.1meantanyportionthatdeterminestheenvelopeofthe Y,'+ building.E-(,$$  1.|)- 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemansaidthatthereisdebateoverthedefinitionofstructure.$$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_ԀsaidthatshewastryingtoteachtheCommitteehowtoread.$$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr.Bruce_Bonacker_,_NARI_,saidthatoverall,themacroissuesshouldbewithinthePlanning e Code.Hesaidthathedidnotanswerthequestionnairebecausehewasinsupportofmakinga Q  changeintheBuildingCode.Mr._Bonacker_ԀsaidthatMs._Caravelli_sdefinitionofastructureis =  absurd. Anypiececouldbetakentoincludeanypart,e.g.,anail.Healsosaidthathewantedto ) t addresstheissueonwhetherSection318.1hasbeenproperlyinterpreted.Hesaidthathehada  ` projectthatwasnotanillegaldemolitionprojectwhenhefirstbroughtitin.Butbytheendofthe  L  project,ithadbecomeanillegaldemolition.Hesaidthatthereshouldbeonestationdealingwith  8  allthepotentialillegaldemolitionprojectssothattherewouldbeconsistencyinapplyingthecode. $  Hesaidthestaffassignedtothisstationshouldhavetheinstitutionalknowledgeonthisissue.Mr.   _Bonacker_ԀaddedthatifMs._Caravelli_sdefinitionsareused,allremodelingprojectswouldfall   underunlawfuldemolition. $$ 0 e  e$e$  e b.0  DiscussionoftheproblemsthatSection103.3wasintendedtosolveandthedifferencein a impactsbetweenfilingforanalterationpermitinsteadofademolitionpermit(e.g.,notice M requirements,increaseinassessedvalueofresidence,preservationoflegalnonconforming 9 statusforparkingandsetbacks,etc.)%p$$  0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemaninvitedadiscussionontheprobablereasonsforadoptingSection103.3. H Hesaidthatthelackofclarityhasencourageddishonesty.4$$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_ԀthankedtheCommitteemembersfortryingtohelp_DBI_Ԁstaffgetadefinitionof a   principalportion.HealsothankedDeputyDirectorWongforhisreportandCommissioner  Freemanforthequestionnaire.Hesaidthattheresponsestothequestionnaireshowedtheneedfor  moreguidance.Mr._Chiu_Ԁsaidthatin1988therewasbetterenforcementbecausestaffhadsome  numbertousetofigureoutwhatcameunderunlawfuldemolition.Hesaidthatifconsistencyis q thegoal,staffneedsamethodof_quantification_.HesaidthatevenifSection103.3werenotinthe ]  BuildingCodeandwastransferredtothePlanningCode,_DBI_Ԁstaffwouldstillberesponsiblefor I! itsenforcementduringtheinspectionprocess.Staffneedsguidanceandisfrustratedaswell.On 5"  therequirementforademolitionpermit,hesaidthat_DBI_ԀstaffgotarulingfromtheCity !#l! AttorneysOfficethatifaplanshowswhatistoberemoved,analternationpermitshouldbeused. $X"$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemanthankedDeputyDirectorWongforhisreport.HesaidthatMr.Wongdid %0!$ agoodjobinputtingthepackagetogether.Heaskedifhewouldneedapermittotakeawall &"% down.'#&$$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_Ԁsaidhewouldneedanalterationpermit.Hesaidthatstaffisclearontheintentof )$( thelaw.Iftheprojectentailstakingdown800sq.ft.tobereplacedby800sq.ft,thereisno *%) penaltyunderunlawfuldemolition.m+&*$$ 0 e 0e$e$Commissioner_Cereghino_Ԁsaidthattheprocessshouldbeclear.Shesuggestedforminga E-(, committeeofexperts.ThisBICCommitteecanthenreviewitsrecommendations.TheCommittee 1.|)- alsoneedstolookatwhomakesdecisionsonpermitapplications.$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerVasquezsaidthattheCommitteeshouldnotsteerawayfromtheintentofthecode.  Thisordinancewasmeanttopreservesound,affordablehousing.ThePlanningDepartmenthas y notparticipatedinthisCommitteesworksofar,butthisisaplanningissue.Forexample, e Planningneedstobeinvolvedwhenthereisanalternationtotheenvelopeofabuilding.The Q  Committeeneedstoseparatewhatiswithin_DBI_sjurisdictionandwhatfallsunderother =  jurisdictions.Hesaidhedidnotyetknowhowtodothis.TheCommitteeneedstotakeapractical ) t approach.Iftheliteralinterpretationisused,CommissionerVasquezsaidthatforhimwouldmean  ` everythingwouldfallunderunlawfuldemolition.However,thisisimpractical.Heciteda  L  bathroomremodel,thewaythecodereadsnowisopentoaninterpretationthatthisisanunlawful  8  demolition.$ $$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_Ԁsaidthatsuchisnottheintentofthecode.Staffalwayshastobackandunderstand   theobjectives.Staffalsoisguidedbythegoalofpreservingaffordablehousing. $$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemanaskedifundertheunlawfuldemolitionordinance,onecanteardowna u wholebuildingandbuildthesamebuildingusingnewmaterialswithoutademolitionpermit.a$$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_Ԁsaidthatthiscouldbeallowedundertheunlawfuldemolitionordinance.However, 9 thereareothercodesthatwillcomeintoplaysuchasseismicrequirements.%p$$ 0 e 0e$e$Commissioner_Cereghino_Ԁsaidthatshewantstomoveinthedirectionofhavingeverythingwritten H downandnotsubjecttoindividualinterpretation.4$$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_Ԁsaidthatstaffdraftedaproposalin1996whichcontainedadefinitionof principal   portion.HesaidtheCommitteecanlookatthisandiftheproposalisnotacceptable,staffcan  startover.$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemansaidthathemaynotagreewiththe1996proposalbutitwasagood q attempttodosomething.However,thisproposalwasshutdownasillegal.] $$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_ԀsaidthattheCommitteecouldrevisitthisproposal.5" $$ 0 e 0e$e$Commissioner_Cereghino_Ԁsaidthatiftheproposaldidnotworkout,itshouldhavebeenrewritten.  $X" Shereiteratedthatthereisaneedtogetagroupofexpertsinvolved.Otherwise,thisCommittee $D # wouldbesittinginendlessdebates.%0!$$$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_Ԁsaidthatthedraft1996CodeRulingtriedtochangetherequirementsofSection '#& 318.1,notmerelyinterpretedit._DBI_ԀstaffcantcontinuetoinsulttheBoardofSupervisorsby (#' amendinglegislation.Director_Chiu_Ԁreferredthequestionofwhatconstitutesunlawfuldemolition )$( totheCityAttorneysOffice.TheopinionfromtheCityAttorneysOfficesaidwhatisallowedis *%) workon aprincipalportionrequiresanalterationpermit. Ameansonlyoneprincipalportion. m+&* ShesaidthatitshouldnotbeasituationwherePlanningmakesthedecisionthenBuildingissues Y,'+ thepermit.E-(,$$  1.|)- 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemansaidthattheordinance,aswritten,doesnotmakesense.HesaidthatMs.  _Caravelli_ԀkeepsrepeatingthattheBoardofSupervisorsknewwhattheyweredoing.However,he  saidthatevenifthemembersoftheBoardatthattimetestifybeforethisCommittee,hewassure  thatnoonewillbeabletoexplainthecode.y$$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_Ԁsaidthatthecourtshaveruledthatitispresumedthatlegislatorsknewstatutory Q  constructionoflanguageinadoptinglaws.= $$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemansaidthathedisagreedwiththatpremise.Hesaidthisisonlyhisindividual  ` opinion. L $$ Ѐ0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bonacker_Ԁsaidthattheordinancedoesnothavefindingsthatcouldhavebeenusedto $  determinewhenanunlawfuldemolitionhasoccurred.Hesaidthatanotherplacethatthe   Committeeshouldlookatisthepunishmentimposedonanunlawfuldemolition.Hesaidthat   thereisafineimposedandtheexactsamebuildingcanberebuilt.Thesedonothavetodowith   lifesafetyordisabledaccessissues.Mr._Bonacker_ԀaskedDirector_Chiu_Ԁifhethoughtthatthis   ordinancebelongsintheBuildingCode.u$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemanaskedMr._Bonacker_Ԁifhehadanopiniononhowthisordinancefitswithin M thestatecode.9$$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bonacker_ԀsaidthattheCitycanonlyadoptordinancesamendingthestatecodeifitcanmake \ thefindingsthattherearespecialconditionsliketopographyorclimatethatrequiretheadoptionof H suchordinances.HesaidhedidnotbelievethatstatecodeallowsSanFranciscotohavethis 4 ordinance. $$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_Ԁsaidthatif_DBI_Ԁstaffisgiventhetasktoenforcethecode,staffneedssomething  moredefinite.HesaidthatinhisopinionthisordinanceiscontrarytothegoalsoftheBuilding  Codetomakestructuresbetter,providefireandsafetyimprovements.$$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bonacker_Ԁsaidpermitapplicantsshoulddefineveryclearlywhatwillbedemolished. ]  Applicantsshouldbebroughttotask.I!$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemanagreedandsaidthatapplicantsneedtobe_upfront_Ԁabouttheextentof !#l! demolition. $X"$$ 0 e 0e$e$Commissioner_Cereghino_Ԁaskedwhattheprocesswasifdryrotisfoundduringconstruction.%0!$$$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bonacker_Ԁsaidthattheapplicantshouldtrytodisturbaslittleaspossibleoftheoriginal '#& constructionandshouldaskthedepartmentwhattherequirementswillbe.(#'$$ ̀0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_Ԁsaidthatanyadditionalworkwillrequireanotherpermit.However,inactual *%) projects,theevidencethattheadditionalworkwastheresultoffindingdryrothasusuallybeen m+&* removedwhentheinspectorcomestothesite.Alltheinspectorseesisthe replacementdueto Y,'+ dryrot.ShesaidthattheapplicantsshouldgivethePlanningDepartmentacompletesetofplans. E-(, Planningstaffreliesonthetypeofpermitapplicationusedindeterminingifaprojectinvolves 1.|)- demolition.Iftheplannersseeaformsix,theyprocesstheapplicationasademolition.Ifthe  plannersseeaformthree,theyprocesstheapplicationasanalteration._DBI_Ԁhasnocontrolson  whatformsshouldbeused.ShesaidthatthereviewshouldbecarriedoutbyPlanning.Ms.  _Caravelli_ԀaddedthatSection104(f)getstriggeredifanapplicationisconsideredademolition.This y wouldrequirereplacementconstructiontomeet75%ofthecurrentseismicstandards.e$$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_Ԁsaidthatifanapplicationwasreceivedtoremoveanypartofastructure,a =  demolitionpermitisrequired.Hesaidthattheintentoftheordinanceiscleartoall._DBI_Ԁstaff ) t doesnotjustimplementtheordinancewithoutconsideringitsintent. `$$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_ԀsaidthatPlanningstaffdoesnotputanyefforttodeterminingifapermitapplication  8  wouldresultinanunlawfuldemolition.ShesaidthatPlanningdoesnotevenreceivedetailed $  plansforreview. $$  e 0  Mr._Bonacker_ԀagreedwithMs._Caravelli_ԀthatPlanningstaffdoesnotreviewforpotentialunlawful   demolition.Hesaidthatcompliancewiththe75%ofcurrentseismicstandardsischecked   separately.Hesaidthat_DBI_ԀshouldlookatwhatothercitiessuchasBerkeleyorPaloAltoare u doing.HesaidthateventhePlanningCommissionhadsomediscussionthattheremaybeaneed a foracategorycalledMajorAlteration.M$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerVasquezaskedifthePlanningCodehadanydefinitionofMajorAlteration.%p$$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_Ԁsaiditdidnot.H$$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_ԀsaidthattheBuildingCodehasadefinitionforsubstantialchange. $$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bonacker_ԀsaidthatthePlanningDepartmenthasduckedonthisissueandhasreliedon_DBI_Ԁto  policeunlawfuldemolition.$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerVasquezsaidthathedidnotcompletelyagreewiththeopinionthatthisordinance q shouldnotbeintheBuildingCode.Thedefinitionofsubstantialalterationwasinthedemolition ]  moratoriumlegislation.Theintentoftheordinancewastopreserveaffordablehousing.That I! intentisextremelydifficultfor_DBI_Ԁstaff.5" $$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_ԀsaidthataclassificationcalledMajorAlterationwillnottriggerthelevelofscrutiny  $X" intendedforunlawfuldemolition.$D #$$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bonacker_ԀsaidthatthePlanningCodewillneedmajormodificationsifthisordinanceismoved &"% fromtheBuildingCodetothePlanningCode.'#&$$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr.John_Bardis_ԀgaveahistoryofPropositionM.Hesaidthatthisinitiativewastopreserve )$( affordablehousing.ItwasnotlodgedinthePlanningCodeonpurpose.Onceanapplicantfilesa *%) permit,heshouldbeonnoticethatheistakingtheriskofadditionalworkduetodryrot.Ifduring m+&* construction,hefindsthathehasbeenwrongontheextentofwork,heshouldgobacktothe Y,'+ beginning._DBI_Ԁshoulddoawaywiththeprocessofissuingmultiplepermits.Thisisabyzantine E-(, process._DBI_Ԁstaffshouldbeveryclearabouttherisksandthenshouldgoaheadandenforce 1.|)- penaltieswhenneeded.Hesaidthatgovernmenthastheauthoritytoallowthingstohappenand  alsotheresponsibilitytocontrol.$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerVasquezsaidthatthereisaneedtofigureouttheintentandtodrawthelineforthe y BuildingCode.HesaidhewastryingtobepracticalandaskedMr._Bardis_opiniononhavinga e classificationforMajorAlteration.Q $$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bardis_Ԁsaidthatthismaybeacceptable.Thresholdscanbesetsuchasnottoallowmorethan ) t 500sq.ft.ofalterationwithnoadditionalfloorarea.Hesaidthatiftheactualworkexceedsthe  ` scopeofthepermit,thenthepermitbecomesvoid. L $$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemansaidthatsomepeoplearesayingthatpermitapplicantshavebeencheating $  fromthebeginningofthepermitapplication,thattheyactuallyknowthattherewillbemorework   neededthanwhatisshowninthepermit. $$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bardis_Ԁsaidthereisaneedforamorerigorousreviewprocess. $$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemansaidthatatthebeginningonecantascertainwhattheextentofdryrot a will.Hesaidthatanapplicantcantopenupwalls,etc.,inthebeginning.M$$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bardis_Ԁsaidthatifanapplicantfindsoutthathehasmadeamistakeintheplans,hehastofix %p thepermitimmediately.Hesaidthatthishasnothappenedforthelasttenyears.\$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemanaskedMr._Bardis_Ԁifheagreedwiththeopinionthatthewordingofthis 4 ordinanceishardtointerpret. $$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bardis_Ԁsaidthattheordinanceshouldstartbyputtingpeopleonnoticethattheprocesswillbe  difficult.Onceapermitapplicantstartswiththatpremise,thingscangeteasier.$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemansaidthathewaslookingforawaywherethecodecouldbeimplemented q tomakeitharderforcheatersbuteasierforothers.Hesaidthattherearemanyapplicantswhojust ]  wanttofixuptheirexistingstructures.I!$$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_Ԁaskedhow_DBI_Ԁwoulddistinguishbetweenthesetwogroups.!#l!$$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bardis_Ԁsaidthatabuildingpermitisnotarightbutaprivilege.$D #$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerVasquezsaidthatalotoftheissuesaresubjective.Hesaidheagreedwiththe &"% premisethatthereisalackofaffordablehousingintheCityingeneral.'#&$$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_Ԁsaidthat_affordability_Ԁisnottheissuethatthisordinancewastryingtoaddress.She )$( saiditsoughttoputastoptospeculativepracticesthataffectedhousing.*%)$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemanaskedifitwasreallypossibletoturnasinglefamilydwellingintofive Y,'+ units.E-(,$$  1.|)- 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_Ԁsaidthatishappensalot.Onceaninspectorleaves,additionalunitsarecarvedin.$$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bardis_Ԁsaidthatgovernmentshouldlookatthebiggerpicture.Hespokeabouttherelationship  ofjobs,demandandsupplyofhousing,theMasterPlan,Zoning,demolitionandalteration.He y saidthatgovernmenthasthedutytoaddresstheimpacts.e$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemansaidthatitseemsliketheissueshavebeendumpedontheBIC.= $$ 0 e 0e$e$Commissioner_Cereghino_Ԁsaidthatenforcementhasbeendumpedon_DBI_.Thisneedstobe  ` addressed. L $$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_Ԁsaidthattheenforcementresponsibilityrestson_DBI_ԀbecausetheCentralPermit $  Bureau,whichisin_DBI_,issuesthepermit.Onecannotseparatethepermit,revenueandauthority   toenforce. $$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_Ԁsaidthatheneedsanumberor_quantification_Ԁofthecoderequirements.Heurgedthe   Committeenottoleavethisvague.Hesaidthatadefinitionof principalportionisneededwith u measurablestandards.a$$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bardis_Ԁsaidthattheadministrativeauthorityshouldprovidetheguidelines.9$$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_Ԁsaidthattheadministrativearmdoesnothavejurisdictionoverthelaw.\$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemanaskedMr._Bardis_Ԁifheagreedthatthewordingofthisordinanceisvague 4 andifhewouldbewillingtoworkwiththedepartmentoncomingupwithaninterpretationanda   permitreviewprocess. $$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bardis_Ԁsaidthatheagreedthatthewordingisvague.Hesaidthatheisverycynicalaboutthe  process.$$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_ԀurgedtheCommitteetoformataskforce.Hesaidthathedidnotrecommendatthis ]  timetomovetheordinancetothePlanningCode.Thatwouldinvolvelargerpoliticalissuesthat I! willtakelongertoresolve.5" $$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemanaskedfordetailsonthetaskforce. $X"$$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bardis_Ԁsaidthatinorderfortheworkofthistaskforcetobeaccepted,thetaskforcemustbe %0!$ opentothepublic.Herecommendedthattheintentbewrittendownbeforethetaskforce &"% convenes.'#&$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerVasquezsaidthatDeputyDirectorWongisagoodstepinmakingpeople )$( understandtheissues.Itisagoodbeginning.*%)$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemansaidthathewantedthisreporttobesentout.Eachmemberofthetask Y,'+ forceshouldgetacopy.E-(,$$  1.|)- 0 e 0e$e$Commissioner_Cereghino_Ԁagreed.$$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_Ԁaskedifthistaskforcewillbeworkingonacoderuling.$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemansaidthatthetaskforceshouldcomeupwitharecommendationonhowto e solvethisproblem.Q $$ 0 e 0e$e$Commissioner_Cereghino_Ԁaskedwhowouldbeinchargeofthetaskforce.) t$$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_Ԁsaidthatusuallythetaskforcemembersselecttheirownchair. L $$ 0 e 0e$e$Mr._Bardis_ԀsaidthatthetaskforceshouldreporttothisCommittee.$ $$ 0 e 0e$e$Commissioner_Cereghino_Ԁaskedwhowoulddotheinitialplanningforformingthetaskforce. $$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_Ԁsaidthathewillberesponsibleforthis. $$ 0 e 0e$e$Commissioner_Cereghino_Ԁaskedfora_timeline_.a$$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_Ԁsaidthathewilldothisquicklyandaskedwhat_timeline_ԀtheCommitteewaslooking 9 at.%p$$ 0 e 0e$e$Ms._Caravelli_ԀsuggestedthattheCommitteegiveguidancetoDirector_Chiu_Ԁonthemembershipon H thistaskforce.4$$ 0 e 0e$e$CommissionerFreemansaidthatthetaskforcecouldhaveaboutninememberscomprisedof:a   BICCommissioner,fournonindustryrepresentatives,fourindustryrepresentatives.Healsosaid  thatthereshouldbearepresentativefromthePlanningDepartmentwhocouldbeanexofficio  member.$$ 0 e 0e$e$Commissioner_Cereghino_Ԁsuggestedthatthedeadlineforafirstreportfromthetaskforceshould ]  beinthreemonths.I!$$ 0 e 0e$e$Director_Chiu_Ԁsaidthat_DBI_ԀstaffwillsendtheminutesoftaskforcemeetingstothisCommittees !#l! members.Basedontheinformationintheminutes,theCommitteecandecidewhenthereshould  $X" beaCommitteeMeeting.$D #$$   e c.0  Reportanddiscussionofpreviouscaseswheretherewasaquestiononwhetherthe '#& applicationinvolvedillegaldemolitionandschematiccases/floorplanstoillustratethetypes (#' ofprojectswherethequestionoftheoccurrenceofillegaldemolitionarises.)$($$ 0 e 0e$e$ Therewasnodiscussiononthisagendaitem.m+&*$$   e d.0  Possibleactiontoadoptstrategiestoformulatea_workplan_Ԁwitha_timeline_,disseminate 1.|)- informationtothepublicandforwardarecommendationtothefullCommissionon  alternativesproposedtoamendtheUnlawfulDemolitionOrdinanceortoimprovethe  implementationofthecurrentordinance(e.g.,throughcodeinterpretations/bulletins).$$  e 0  Therewasnodiscussiononthisagendaitem.e$$  4.0 e Discussionandpossibleactionwithrespecttothoseitemsthatcouldbeplacedontheagendaof ) t futureCommitteemeetings. `e$e$ 0 e Therewasnodiscussiononthisagendaitem. 8 e$e$  5.0 e CommissionerInquiriesandReviewofCommunicationItems:Atthistime,theCommitteemay   makeinquiriestostaffregardingthestatusofvariousdocuments,policies,practicesand   procedureswhichareofinteresttotheCommitteeandmaydiscusscommunicationitems   receivedsincethelastCommitteemeeting.ue$e$ 0 e Therewasnodiscussiononthisagendaitem.Me$e$  6.0 e ApprovaloftheMinutesoftheCommitteeMeetingofNovember13,1997.\e$e$  0 e CommissionerVasquezmoved,secondedbyCommissionerFreeman,toapprovetheMinutesofthe 4 November13,1997CommitteeMeetingasprepared. e$e$ 0 e Themotionedpassedunanimously.e$e$  7.0 e ApprovaloftheMinutesoftheCommitteeMeetingofDecember9,1997.ie$e$  0 e CommissionerVasquezmoved,secondedbyCommissionerFreeman,toapprovetheMinutesofthe A! December9,1997CommitteeMeetingasprepared. )"t e$e$ 0 e Themotionedpassedunanimously.#H"e$e$  E9  9损E8  .0 e   PublicComment.9损Eی& "%e$e$ Ќ  0 e Ms.Roberta_Caravelli_,CitizenReview,saidthatthequestionnairethatwasbeingcirculatedwasnot (#' writtenwell.Shesaidtherearemorethanoneanswerstosomequestions.Sheaskedifthis )$( questionnairewasmeantonlyfor_DBI_Ԁstaff.q*%)e$e$ 0 e CommissionerFreemansaidthatanyonewhowasinterestedcanfilloutthequestionnaireandsubmit I,'+ ittotheCommittee.5-(,e$e$   !.l)- Ї9. e Adjournment.   0 e Therebeingnootherbusiness,andonamotionmadebyCommissionerVasquez,secondedby  ChairFreeman,themeetingadjournedat12:50p.m. ue$e$ 0 e Themotionpassedbyunanimousvote.I e$e$  e         I   ________________________________  D   e         I   MARIAG.T._BANICO_   0   e         I   CommissionSecretary